Mountain Lion (or: $20 for this year's Mac polish)

[Santa]

You should really start to use the macbook air in your house. It'll help you understand.

Setup a VPN. Take a screenshot with command shift 4. Apologize.

[MarcusAurelius]

You should really start to use the macbook air in your house. It'll help you understand.

Setup a VPN. Take a screenshot with command shift 4. Apologize.

yup, it's official. retarded.


command shift 4 for screenshots? really? cause i used alt+print screen. like every other computer in the era of modern keyboards.


theory: you were actually totally computer illiterate your entire life. in moving to OSX, you were forced to watch some rudimentary how-to's. you were like old people that printed emails, scanned them into word documents, and then sent them as attachments.

[Santa]

You should really start to use the macbook air in your house. It'll help you understand.

Setup a VPN. Take a screenshot with command shift 4. Apologize.

yup, it's official. retarded.


command shift 4 for screenshots? really? cause i used alt+print screen. like every other computer in the era of modern keyboards.


theory: you were actually totally computer illiterate your entire life. in moving to OSX, you were forced to watch some rudimentary how-to's.

Go use command shift 4 and you'll figure out what the difference is. command shift 4 spacebar click window does the same as alt print screen.

[Santa]

Saves a cropping step if you don't want the whole window. Pretty nice.

Basic windows process:
print screen
image program
crop
save

Mac:
cmd shift 4
select area
(it's already saved to your desktop)

[Santa]

And go use the VPN client. Notice how it lets you conveniently choose your protocol, authentication and encryption.

[MarcusAurelius]

And go use the VPN client. Notice how it lets you conveniently choose your protocol, authentication and encryption.

Mac OS X 10.7.x (Lion), 10.6.x (Snow Leopard), and 10.5.x (Leopard)
From the Apple menu, select System Preferences... . When the System Preferences window opens, from the View menu, select Network.

Near the bottom left corner of the Network window, click the + (plus sign). In the sheet that appears, next to "Interface:", choose VPN. Next to "VPN Type:", choose L2TP over IPSec. Click Create.
Note: If you can't click the + (plus sign), click the padlock icon next to "Click the lock to make changes". Enter the password for an administrator account on your Mac, and then click OK.

In the "Server Address:" field, enter the appropriate server address:

At IUB: ipsec.indiana.edu
At IUPUI: ipsec.iupui.edu

click apple menu, click system preferences, wait for window to open, click view menu, select network. near the bottom, click +.

.... really? did you just say "less clicks"? theory confirmed, you were the guy using windows that nick burns had to keep pushing away.

[Santa]

Less clicks if you actually care about what protocol and encryption you're using.

[Santa]

Seriously, go use it and tell me you'd prefer the Windows method. I'll wait.

[MarcusAurelius]

Less clicks if you actually care about what protocol and encryption you're using.

also false. right click vpn in that list -> left click properties -> left click encryption type.

you're simply wrong, dude. i'm amazed you survived being so inept with windows. you could've switched to OpenSuse and you'd be ranting the same about it's amazing usability cause you'd actually have to learn how to use a fucking OS.

[Santa]

Yeah, I guess it is about as easy to set up on both.

I just found it refreshing to have the protocols and encryption up front on the Mac.

Now onto screenshots. You can apologize for that one since you're wrong.

[Santa]

Remember when you wrote Airplay off because Markk gave you an archaic codec when you asked what it used?

You realize it uses hardware based h264 now, right?

[Santa]

Olympics -> BBC -> London VPN -> Fagbooks -> Airplay -> Apple TV -> TV

Suck it.

[Gretyl]

Straight media consumption's one step simpler for MA because his PC is already connected to the TV.

/psa

[Santa]

I was going to yell at you for banning me for some shit reason but it turns out it was just the London VPN that was banned.

[MarcusAurelius]

Yeah, I guess it is about as easy to set up on both.

I just found it refreshing to have the protocols and encryption up front on the Mac.

Now onto screenshots. You can apologize for that one since you're wrong.

i spend 85% of my computer time on linux. hitting print screen or alt print screen does what osx does with your whatever gay screen combo, and has done it since at least 2004.

[MarcusAurelius]

Straight media consumption's one step simpler for MA because his PC is already connected to the TV.

/psa

...... one step simpler? everything on my wifi has access to streaming HD cable tv, netflix, 300 movies, and 2 years worth of mp3s. don't have to vpn to london because i can record 3 hd channels simultaneously.

[MarcusAurelius]

I just found it refreshing to have the protocols and encryption up front on the Mac.

um, try linux.

[MarcusAurelius]

Olympics -> BBC -> London VPN -> Fagbooks -> Airplay -> Apple TV -> TV

Suck it.

wow, that sounds really really convenient! i just have to get a vpn in london, a fagbook, an "airplay" whatever that is, and an apple tv!

[Santa]

Yeah, I guess it is about as easy to set up on both.

I just found it refreshing to have the protocols and encryption up front on the Mac.

Now onto screenshots. You can apologize for that one since you're wrong.

i spend 85% of my computer time on linux. hitting print screen or alt print screen does what osx does with your whatever gay screen combo, and has done it since at least 2004.

No it doesn't. Try it.

[Santa]

I just found it refreshing to have the protocols and encryption up front on the Mac.

um, try linux.

I love Linux. It's definitely helped ease my transition off of Windows.

[Santa]

Straight media consumption's one step simpler for MA because his PC is already connected to the TV.

/psa

...... one step simpler? everything on my wifi has access to streaming HD cable tv, netflix, 300 movies, and 2 years worth of mp3s. don't have to vpn to london because i can record 3 hd channels simultaneously.

I don't and won't ever have cable TV again. You have a great setup with the inclusion of a cable service. There's no doubting that.

[MarcusAurelius]

Straight media consumption's one step simpler for MA because his PC is already connected to the TV.

/psa

...... one step simpler? everything on my wifi has access to streaming HD cable tv, netflix, 300 movies, and 2 years worth of mp3s. don't have to vpn to london because i can record 3 hd channels simultaneously.

I don't and won't ever have cable TV again. You have a great setup with the inclusion of a cable service. There's no doubting that.

it's also better without cable than any alternative. by far. the cable tv is a weak point here. that someone who has only ever used appletv would tell someone that has used WMC, mythtv, XBMC, mediaportal, and appletv that appletv is better is gay and dumb.

I love Linux. It's definitely helped ease my transition off of Windows.

no, you don't. you're too dumb. if you weren't a computer illiterate, you'd just use a linux desktop. osx does nothing better than an ubuntu laptop. i spared you taking a screenshot of ubuntu setting up vpn. all your recent pro-osx quips are clearly born out of ignorance.

[Gretyl]

I'm tempted to agree with that last bit.

[Santa]

Why are you so angry lately? It's not overly rational.

You can dick around all you want about what you think is right, but my newsgroup/sickbeard setup rivals anything you can throw at it. No clue what the fuck happened to you to make you such a dick lately.

[MarcusAurelius]

Why are you so angry lately? It's not overly rational.

gretyl clearly agrees with me. you have ranted nonstop about your newfound love for osx, and every single thing without fail has been something nobody should like about osx, because it doesn't do it any better than win7. anyone with any knowledge of more than one OS sees your blatant ignorance on proud display. you would blast a shithole through your pants if you ever took the time to go from your novice usage to learn the terminal. with your ignorant statements of things you like about osx, you absolutely could have been thrown in front of any linux variant and said the same thing, plus the additional rant about how it's cheaper and faster.

there's a lot of reasons to like osx over win7, and you haven't touched on *any* of them.

but my newsgroup/sickbeard setup rivals anything you can throw at it.

sounds like a powerful setup only a macbook air + airplay + appletv + macfaggotry could handle.

[Thinine]

osx does nothing better than an ubuntu laptop.

Really, nothing? Let's assume you're using a MacBook Pro and that Ubuntu has all of the basic drivers already (still a rather large assumption for a random PC laptop). Under OS X, the same machine will, at the very least, have better battery life. That also doesn't take into account the stability of the various drivers or if they fully support the technology. Anyone know if multitouch works under Ubuntu?

[MarcusAurelius]

osx does nothing better than an ubuntu laptop.

Really, nothing? Let's assume you're using a MacBook Pro and that Ubuntu has all of the basic drivers already (still a rather large assumption for a random PC laptop).

um, what? are you fucking kidding me? a "rather large assumption"???? linux has better driver support than *any* OS, by far. osx naturally has the worst. and a macbook pro is not a "random pc laptop."

Anyone know if multitouch works under Ubuntu?

yes, it does.

Under OS X, the same machine will, at the very least, have better battery life.

[citation needed.]

That also doesn't take into account the stability of the various drivers or if they fully support the technology.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. you'll argue that an OS that runs on telephones, dvrs, tablets, televisions, satellites, spacecraft, workstations, servers, and all of the fastest supercomputers on the planet somehow is less supportive of diverse technology than OSX? you're a fucking idiot.


if you're actually curious (i know you're not, because you're dumb), the stability of various drivers under ubuntu are lightyears ahead of osx. linux has a lot of problems, but stability isn't one.

[Thinine]

Oh, I get it, you're using some magical fairy Ubuntu that us Macfags can't access. One that has no driver issues and is somehow more optimized for the hardware of a vendor who has only one product line to worry about. Why didn't you say so? This whole conversation could have been avoided if you'd just mentioned you were running MAbuntu.

So does anyone have any real discussion to add about Mountain Lion? I've been running the betas, so I may be able to answer questions if you have any.

[Santa]

I don't really see any additions I care about in Mountain Lion aside from Airplay. Anything else I should take note of?

[MarcusAurelius]

Oh, I get it, you're using some magical fairy Ubuntu that us Macfags can't access. One that has no driver issues and is somehow more optimized for the hardware of a vendor who has only one product line to worry about. Why didn't you say so? This whole conversation could have been avoided if you'd just mentioned you were running MAbuntu.

So does anyone have any real discussion to add about Mountain Lion? I've been running the betas, so I may be able to answer questions if you have any.

Oh yeah' really exotic hardware in those macs. I don't know how anyone could hope to support that!

[Santa]

Why are you so angry lately? It's not overly rational.

gretyl clearly agrees with me. you have ranted nonstop about your newfound love for osx, and every single thing without fail has been something nobody should like about osx, because it doesn't do it any better than win7. anyone with any knowledge of more than one OS sees your blatant ignorance on proud display. you would blast a shithole through your pants if you ever took the time to go from your novice usage to learn the terminal. with your ignorant statements of things you like about osx, you absolutely could have been thrown in front of any linux variant and said the same thing, plus the additional rant about how it's cheaper and faster.

there's a lot of reasons to like osx over win7, and you haven't touched on *any* of them.

but my newsgroup/sickbeard setup rivals anything you can throw at it.

sounds like a powerful setup only a macbook air + airplay + appletv + macfaggotry could handle.

Look at how you bitched out about the screenshots without seeing what it actually does. I know what the fuck alt print screen does. If you think that's a better implementation than the Mac's built in screen cropping tool in every instance, you're a dumb mother fucker. Sometimes you want the screen. Sometimes you want the window. Sometimes you want a portion of a window or a portion of a combination of the windows on the screen. Mac handles all 3 cases without hitting an editing tool. PC handles 2. Mac automatically saves the screenshot in a tolerable format, cutting out the cut/paste steps in the editors.

You're pretty viciously attacking me for my preference, while at the same time making an ass out of your own ignorance.

Fuck, I went back into Windows to set up the same VPN just to see if I really liked the Mac version better. The PC version is like a retard workflow for fucking retards. The default VPN goes into an "Auto" mode to figure out the protocol and takes about 5 seconds to connect to the VPN by default. What the fuck is that? It's stupid. For all things networking, Linux, hands down, wins the parade. Between Windows and OSX? Definitely preference. I prefer protocols and simple setup instead of shit workflows.

[MarcusAurelius]

Look at how you bitched out about the screenshots without seeing what it actually does. I know what the fuck alt print screen does. If you think that's a better implementation than the Mac's built in screen cropping tool in every instance, you're a dumb mother fucker. Sometimes you want the screen. Sometimes you want the window. Sometimes you want a portion of a window or a portion of a combination of the windows on the screen. Mac handles all 3 cases without hitting an editing tool. PC handles 2. Mac automatically saves the screenshot in a tolerable format, cutting out the cut/paste steps in the editors.

most linux desktops do this.

You're pretty viciously attacking me for my preference, while at the same time making an ass out of your own ignorance.

no no no, i'm viciously attacking your ignorance. you very obviously were a terrible windows user. your preference is based on complete ignorance. you would be frothing at the mouth if you ever used aptitude. i maintain that you could have switched to literally any operating system, and the simple fact of having to learn how to actually use it correctly the first time instead of whatever terrishit workflow you were using would have blown your mind.

Fuck, I went back into Windows to set up the same VPN just to see if I really liked the Mac version better. The PC version is like a retard workflow for fucking retards. The default VPN goes into an "Auto" mode to figure out the protocol and takes about 5 seconds to connect to the VPN by default. What the fuck is that? It's stupid. For all things networking, Linux, hands down, wins the parade. Between Windows and OSX? Definitely preference. I prefer protocols and simple setup instead of shit workflows.

i'd be shocked if any of the 3 OS's were faster than the others in connecting to a VPN. i don't really care that windows by default hides encryption information; most honest people would describe that as a "simpler setup" than the osx or linux version anyway. you just type in the vpn address and give it your password, and 95% of people won't have to change the default encryption. i thought that was an ideal for OSX? it's a vpn: you set it up one time, and never fuck with it again. you just connect to it. and how do you connect to a vpn in osx when you have an active window up? find some empty desktop area, then click on that, then connect to vpn?

[Santa]

My top bar in OSX is always active and the VPN drops off that.

You'd essentially buiding up a strawman out of my Windows 7 problems. You've used false claims (pretending I don't know how to use alt print screen) as well as my problems in networking XP to Win 7 (It's really a pain in the ass when you already have a Win 7 network set up).

I love my XBox solution and I would still be using it if it could stream MKV. I tested every dlna server available to see if I could solve the problem. PS3 Media server was the best at the time and still had massive audio syncing issues if it could even play. I'd say I gave Windows more than a fair shake to solve these problems.

You're really being a pretty big dick about it. If you'd like to continue that course of action, I'm just going to block you until your girlfriend/test problems go away and you can go back to not being a fucking douche at any chance you get.

[Gretyl]

osx does nothing better than an ubuntu laptop.

linux has a lot of problems, but stability isn't one.

there's a lot of reasons to like osx over win7, and you haven't touched on *any* of them.

He's trolling and he knows it.

[Gretyl]

More details on AirPlay's technical requirements as well as a feature comparison with AirParrot here:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/mo ... rot-fight/