Dorf Fortress

[Gretyl]

diapercat

[Gretyl]

I hear there's treasure in them thar hills:
[region3]

Any takers?

[Tom the Cat]

I might go a'splorin' someday, but I'm still working on my goddamn huge outdoor dining room. I hadn't considered how brutal it would be to channel something like 5 floors of a 40x40 room.

But it's getting close to completion! Once the waterfalls are running, I'll post it to DFMA.

[Gretyl]

Gotten any stragglers or spare tiles yet? Mass channeling is really annoying given mining priority, IME.

[Tom the Cat]

Gotten any stragglers or spare tiles yet? Mass channeling is really annoying given mining priority, IME.

No, I've been very deliberate with my channeling, after a few minor cave-ins due to stupid dorfs who don't mine/channel in any rational way.

[Warlock]

WTF was this kitten doing?

[Cody]

smelly cat, smelly cat, what are they feeding you?

[Tom the Cat]

God damn. Getting 'flow' working in unnatural water environments is a real pain in the ass.

[Tom the Cat]

Jesus christ! A legendary Titan appears!

Everyone inside! I've never had to fight anything worse than a goblin siege before! We'll wait for him to come in to my drowning trap... Yes, drown, stupid Titan!

Wait, what's that? The Titan is unconscious? He's got... a mildly sprained ankle? He wakes up for a few seconds only to go unconscious again? He's barely moved since arriving on the map?

Alright, engage Operation: Titan Rape!

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Oh, this guy has a long name now, I wonder why?

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Sprained ankle Titan is easy mode. Probably could've surrounded him in cage traps if I was so inclined.

[Gretyl]

Yeah, it's too bad my GCS-killer broke his left arm. Now I gotta churn his hospital bed a good year and a half to see if he gets better.

[Tom the Cat]

Well, my population is up above 140, my Vomitorium is nearing completion (with four working perpetual waterfall generators), I've killed a Titan, and the Elves are about to wage war on me for cutting down too many trees.

Might I remind you that I live on a treeless map and am only cutting down the Tower Caps I've specifically grown underground, that wouldn't even exist without me.

[Cody]

fuck the elfs. drown'm'all, that's what I say.

[Gretyl]

Shit, they're elves. They take bonus damage for being so damn fruity.

[daoist]

WTF was this kitten doing?

looks like tentacle demons

[nippletwister]

I've been reading this thread. Now I sort of want to play. I'm not sure if I can, though.

[Tom the Cat]

I've been reading this thread. Now I sort of want to play. I'm not sure if I can, though.

STRIKE THE DAMN EARTH

[nippletwister]

...the hell?

[Tom the Cat]

...the hell?

STRIKE.
THE.
MOTHERFUCKING.
EARTH!

[Cody]

unless you're one of them pinty-eared elfs. in which case, build a bunch of log cabins and then get pissed off at anyone else who uses lumber.

[Tom the Cat]

unless you're one of them pinty-eared elfs. in which case, build a bunch of log cabins and then get pissed off at anyone else who uses lumber.

Haha, yeah. I love that they'll send a diplomat who's all "Don't hurt the trees!" and then minutes later their trade caravan will arrive, chock full of delicious lumber.

[Silver Chalice]

I spent some time tonight working on my pretty floor project, but it's not done yet. I'll post it on DFMA tomorrow.

[Tom the Cat]

Got my map uploaded. My major projects are nearing completion. Once they're tip-top, I think I'll get to work on an arena of some sort.

[Tom the Cat]

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You really can't place tables and chairs outdoors! FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[Silver Chalice]

Updated: http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-5222-wheelden

I need to do something with my ridiculous amounts of food/booze. I only have 42 dwarves right now. Surely I don't need 2553 prepared meals.

[Silver Chalice]

You really can't place tables and chairs outdoors! FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

You might be able to build a roof above your dining room, build your furniture, then deconstruct the roof.

[Tom the Cat]

You really can't place tables and chairs outdoors! FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

You might be able to build a roof above your dining room, build your furniture, then deconstruct the roof.

Yeah, I might do that, but that's a big fucking job.

[Cody]

Updated: http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-5222-wheelden

I need to do something with my ridiculous amounts of food/booze. I only have 42 dwarves right now. Surely I don't need 2553 prepared meals.

what the hell what the hell what the hell! The mushroom floor is going a bit too far!

[Cody]

also, didn't I say something about not being able to build tables and chairs outside? You'd think he'd have at least tested it before building four running waterfalls in the fukkin thing.

[Gretyl]

Yep, to which I originally suggested the roof->chairs->deroof idea.

[Tom the Cat]

also, didn't I say something about not being able to build tables and chairs outside? You'd think he'd have at least tested it before building four running waterfalls in the fukkin thing.

I wanted to dig it out from the top-down, but I thought after someone claimed you couldn't build stuff outside (which I seem to recall being claimed along with 'you can't build things on top of constructed floors,' which is wrong) it was revealed that you could.

I don't know. Sucks to be me, but at least now when half my fort is throwing a party, they'll be getting lots of sun.

[Cody]

I'm gonna laugh my head off if Tom gets attacked by some giant eagles or dragons or something that just fly into his meeting hall and take out half his dorfs before he can assemble the troops.

You could always complete it by putting a bunch of retractable bridges over the top to keep out flyers if necessary.

[Gretyl]

A bunch? Bridges have a max width?

[Silver Chalice]

10x10 is the max size for a bridge.

[nippletwister]

Okay, I'm in. There are just a couple of other games I have to finish first.

[Silver Chalice]

http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5239-wheelden

Played a LOT last night. Had two back to back goblin sieges leading me to realize that I need to stop building mosaics and start building some defenses and some military. I'm debating whether or not I want to make rooms for my nobles or use them to test my new spike traps.

[daoist]

I've never bothered playing with traps. I put some cage traps up so that should be fun. Can dwarfs and caravans walk over cage traps normally?

Also I want to put some spike traps in. I put in an order for a bunch of menacing spikes. How does that work? I know I need spikes and mechanisms and pressure plates, do I want to rig up a lever to activate/deactivate them? Is that possible? I don't want my fuckin dorfs to die from fishing.

[Tom the Cat]

I've never bothered playing with traps. I put some cage traps up so that should be fun. Can dwarfs and caravans walk over cage traps normally?

Also I want to put some spike traps in. I put in an order for a bunch of menacing spikes. How does that work? I know I need spikes and mechanisms and pressure plates, do I want to rig up a lever to activate/deactivate them? Is that possible? I don't want my fuckin dorfs to die from fishing.

Spike traps are the only traps I haven't fiddled with. My understanding of all traps:

Stone-fall: easiest, probably best initial line of defense. Dorfs and caravans won't trigger, kobold thiefs won't trigger, most everything else will.
Cage: one of the best overall. Can singlehandedly take a Dragon or Titan or other big baddie out of the picture without you lifting a finger. Caveat: requires empty cages each time you catch someone.
Weapon: Strongest, but also one of the highest requirements. Have to have several spare weapons you can part with if you want the trap to be lethal. That said, this trap can do WICKED amounts of damage.
Pressure plate: Hardest to figure out, most versatile. This can do anything from flood a room to dropping a floor to raising a bridge to... well, just about anything. Definitely worth toying around with once your fort is secure, but not a primary line of defense.

As I understand them, spike traps can or should be operated via lever or pressure plate. Most of the time they'll be retracted and will be safe to walk over, but if they're activated they injure anything standing on them. There are many suggestions of using a spike trap and a lever in a noble's bedroom as a way to rid yourself of the noble. Wait until he's sleeping, lock his door, and then queue up 10 pulls of the lever and watch him skewer himself.

[Gretyl]

Most of the time they'll be retracted and will be safe to walk over, but if they're activated they injure anything standing on them.

There's a pretty subtle point here actually. Spike traps only injure creatures that are standing on the trap at the time they're activated. An activated spike trap can be traveled through without ill consequences.

[Cody]

having a long hallway full of spike traps and waiting for sieges to walk into it, and then just pulling the lever 100 or 200 times is a pretty effective way of killing off sieges.

[daoist]

Yes. It's a table engraved with an image of itself.

[Gretyl]

"Willfulfailed" indeed!

[daoist]

Not to be outdone, another guy went nuts and made:



They just love that damn table.

[Warlock]

Yeah, they seem to get fixated on ideas. About 90% of my engravings are either of my artifact adamantium mace (it was epic tho) or how "some dwarves fucked up and released demons" (yet nothing about how we totally kicked their asses... wait.. do tentacle demons have asses?)

[daoist]

Now that you mention it most of my engravings have "a dwarf and dwarves. The dwarf is surrounded by the dwarves."

[Gretyl]

You be crowded, son.

[Cody]

Yes. It's a table engraved with an image of itself.

looks like you got yerself a recursive artifact.

[Tom the Cat]

Now that you mention it most of my engravings have "a dwarf and dwarves. The dwarf is surrounded by the dwarves."

This is almost always related to one of your dorfs being elected leader/mayor/whatever.

If you fiddle around in the .ini, you can find a line that will let you see full details on these engravings. It'll explain exactly what each 'dwarf is surrounded by the dwarves' is in reference to. It'll also give you precise details on any 'the goblin is striking down the dwarf' or 'the dwarf is striking down the elephant' engravings you might have.

It's pretty neat. The only reason I can think of to not use it is if you want to use Adventurer mode to go back to your fort and examine it.

[nippletwister]

I...

I don't get it.

I had seven Dorfs. They milled around. I read about them.





...You can't save your game and then quit?

[Tom the Cat]

I...

I don't get it.

I had seven Dorfs. They milled around. I read about them.





...You can't save your game and then quit?

Sure you can. Hit Escape, go down one to 'Save Game' or whatever it's called, and then it'll quit the fort and you can come back to it another time.

[nippletwister]

Yes I did that, but I couldn't figure out how to exit without abandoning the fortress.

Anyway, I can see I have a lot of reading before I ask the dumb questions.

[Tom the Cat]

Yes I did that, but I couldn't figure out how to exit without abandoning the fortress.

Anyway, I can see I have a lot of reading before I ask the dumb questions.

With DF, there really are no dumb questions. The learning curve is one of the steepest in the history of gaming. That said, a lot of people consider the effort to be worth it.

Right, though, there are two ways to exit your game: saving will always make you quit, at which point you get kicked back to the main menu to quit the program. Otherwise, you can abandon your fort, which will save over your fort declaring it abandoned, then kick you back to the main menu. The only thing you can't do (without using Ctrl+Alt+Del) is quit without saving.

[nippletwister]

My final dumb question:

1. Get Dorfs
2. ???
3. Profit

[nippletwister]

By which, of course, I mean: How do you get them to do stuff? You just have to let them mill about for a while? I see you can give them attributes or whatever, but is there any form of direct control other than general orders?

Again, sorry for the dumb question. I'll read this thread and some FAQ's and I'll figure it out for sure.

[Cody]

no there's no way to directly control dwarves. But if you say "I want you to do this" and there's someone not doing anything who is capable of accomplishing that task, then they'll generally tend to do it unless they're too hungry/thirsty/tired/pissed off/injured.

[Tom the Cat]

By which, of course, I mean: How do you get them to do stuff? You just have to let them mill about for a while? I see you can give them attributes or whatever, but is there any form of direct control other than general orders?

Again, sorry for the dumb question. I'll read this thread and some FAQ's and I'll figure it out for sure.

the main keys you need to know are:

[d]esignate (jobs to be done)
[b]uild (make some buildings)
loo[k] (allows you to examine the area)
[q]ueue (allows you to examine workshops/buildings and queue up jobs for them)

If you explore those first two menus, you should start getting the hang of getting your dorfs to get off their asses and do something.

[daoist]

Think of it as sim city, except zoomed in and instead of shit happening immediately (like you plunk down a building or a road), you have to wait for the lazy dorfs to go make it.

[nippletwister]

A racoon showed up and distracted all the idlers from idling.

[nippletwister]

Yeah, this game isn't for me. I mean, I get it. I get how it works and I think I could play it, but when it comes down to it, it's just too much micromanagement for me. I don't have the attention span, and it will end up being too much work for the occasional payoff of "some funny character does something silly."

What I'm saying is, this is something I could easily turn into a part time job.

[daoist]

fuck, if there were a professional dfort gig somewhere, I'd so be there.

[Gretyl]

Tarn Adams beat you to it.

[Gretyl]

Good news, gentlemen: Science has shown that ants know how to pick a good embark site.

As far as the game goes, I wish I could RFID my dorfs.

[Reagraham Lincool]

Good news, gentlemen: Science has shown that ants know how to pick a good embark site.

As far as the game goes, I wish I could RFID my dorfs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_colony_optimization

[daoist]

Carp slaughtered my dorfs.

I reclaimed the fort. Carp killed a soldier. His buddies went berzerk. They killed more dwarfs. Their buddies went berzerk. They killed even more dwarfs. My remaining dwarf is wasting away in bed because there's nobody to bring him water.

I'm going to dam this river and murder all the fucking carp if it's the last thing I do.

[Gretyl]

Anyone played with Dig Deeper on their forts?

[Tom the Cat]

I don't need any help getting my dorfs killed, thank you very much.