The Obama Tax Cuts?

[Pokaris]

Right, the government should take everything and dole it out evenly but that's not how it works.

What the fuck does this even mean? No wait, let me guess: "dole it out evenly" means that farmers should get even bigger subsidies.

The pension costs had absolutely nothing to do with GM and Chrysler's downfall? Do you intentionally ignore history or are you really that stupid? You're doing more to illustrate that public teachers aren't worth what they are paid than making a case for them.

No more than the costs of management. Again, that's just a given though. Whatever Capital sees fit to allocate itself is, apparently by definition, the right amount and can bear no share of blame for later shortfalls. You notice how this is kind of a theme? It's like you're mentally incapable of taking your claims and seeing if they apply to the capital side of the equation too (here's a hint: they always do).

Of course, there IS a difference. The difference is that while these things are the demands of Labor, the law makes their grant the prerogative of Capital. That prerogative ALSO carries the burden of responsibility (or else you're saying that the people who were NOT in charge of the decision are at fault).

No, you'd love everything to be redistributed. Unfortunately it never will work because people like me that can assess a financial situation will always beat people blinded by their biases.

We're talking about government unions here. You realize that right? This whole capital bit doesn't even apply so why don't you knock it off?

If you want to pretend the UAW was at all innocent why don't you read up on Saturn. When you figure out that the labor isn't just being exploited by the capitalist but also by the unions, you'll be more informed than you currently are.

[Reagraham Lincool]

No, you'd love everything to be redistributed. Unfortunately it never will work because people like me that can assess a financial situation will always beat people blinded by their biases.

What the fuck are you talking about? Explain yourself, dipshit.

Here's what you said:

Right, the government should take everything and dole it out evenly but that's not how it works.

What did you mean by that? Cause here's a little newsflash: that doesn't make any fucking sense, even with the context of the conversation.

We're talking about government unions here. You realize that right? This whole capital bit doesn't even apply so why don't you knock it off?

It absolutely applies. The fact that, in this case, Capital and Government are the same only strengthens the case for the necessity of unions.

If you want to pretend the UAW was at all innocent why don't you read up on Saturn. When you figure out that the labor isn't just being exploited by the capitalist but also by the unions, you'll be more informed than you currently are.

Go fuck yourself. Either make an argument or don't.

[Pokaris]

No, you'd love everything to be redistributed. Unfortunately it never will work because people like me that can assess a financial situation will always beat people blinded by their biases.

What the fuck are you talking about? Explain yourself, dipshit.

Here's what you said:

Right, the government should take everything and dole it out evenly but that's not how it works.

What did you mean by that? Cause here's a little newsflash: that doesn't make any fucking sense, even with the context of the conversation.

We're talking about government unions here. You realize that right? This whole capital bit doesn't even apply so why don't you knock it off?

It absolutely applies. The fact that, in this case, Capital and Government are the same only strengthens the case for the necessity of unions.

If you want to pretend the UAW was at all innocent why don't you read up on Saturn. When you figure out that the labor isn't just being exploited by the capitalist but also by the unions, you'll be more informed than you currently are.

Go fuck yourself. Either make an argument or don't.

Think about it in terms of your normal arguments comrade. You can figure it out.

They aren't the same. When FDR who called out the guard to defend private unions, stated they aren't, one would think captain pro union would be aware of things like this. Blogs must have not covered that one?

What's the use in arguing with someone that isn't informed about the situation and doesn't want to be? Lot easier to point out the holes in your knowledge to those that would inform themselves.

[Reagraham Lincool]

Think about it in terms of your normal arguments comrade. You can figure it out.

No retard. You don't get to weasel out of this that easily. Explain what you mean.

They aren't the same. When FDR who called out the guard to defend private unions, stated they aren't, one would think captain pro union would be aware of things like this. Blogs must have not covered that one?

I'm not you, you stupid fuck. I don't get my political opinions from blogs. I'm also not making the claim that they're the same. In fact, I spelled out the precise difference:

in this case, Capital and Government are the same only strengthens the case for the necessity of unions.

They are different in a way that makes unions even MORE necessary (because the power imbalance is even more severe than usual). You claiming that they're not the same doesn't support your argument AT ALL.

What's the use in arguing with someone that isn't informed about the situation and doesn't want to be? Lot easier to point out the holes in your knowledge to those that would inform themselves.

You're not pointing out ANYTHING. You're implying some nebulous evidence and some nebulous linking argument but you haven't provided either thing. You're full of shit. Make your argument from whatever evidence you have or admit you don't have one.

[Pokaris]

Think about it in terms of your normal arguments comrade. You can figure it out.

No retard. You don't get to weasel out of this that easily. Explain what you mean.

They aren't the same. When FDR who called out the guard to defend private unions, stated they aren't, one would think captain pro union would be aware of things like this. Blogs must have not covered that one?

I'm not you, you stupid fuck. I don't get my political opinions from blogs. I'm also not making the claim that they're the same. In fact, I spelled out the precise difference:

in this case, Capital and Government are the same only strengthens the case for the necessity of unions.

They are different in a way that makes unions even MORE necessary (because the power imbalance is even more severe than usual). You claiming that they're not the same doesn't support your argument AT ALL.

What's the use in arguing with someone that isn't informed about the situation and doesn't want to be? Lot easier to point out the holes in your knowledge to those that would inform themselves.

You're not pointing out ANYTHING. You're implying some nebulous evidence and some nebulous linking argument but you haven't provided either thing. You're full of shit. Make your argument from whatever evidence you have or admit you don't have one.

You hate my approach because I won't hold your hand through everything, it's not going to happen.

These people can vote and work for candidates (their boss), I don't know how your job is but most major companies aren't that way. So once again your assessment of reality is pretty poor. Unions are less necessary for public sector employees than anywhere, to assert that capital and government are the same is one of the most idiotic assertions you've made and that is saying something.

Again, I don't intend to hold your hand, you aren't my responsibility. Look up the initial agreement at the Saturn plants versus other UAW plants, you'll learn something.